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Post time: 2016-1-12 21:02:20
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Oh Dolphin. XD

Hm...Jarvis is an unmanned STEC monitoring post...Very weak Abyssals...2 scouts, Mahan, Marble, and Dolphin...I think it'll be good to play it safe this time around. Maybe if I had one or two more surface ships with radar/sonar. Let's call in the calvary!

[x] B) Something's definitely not right here. We need backup from Avalon.

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Post time: 2016-1-13 08:34:29
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Edited by Adjutant27 at 2016-1-13 09:18

Huh. Ok, this is obviously meant as some kind of trap, though it might not be for us. It could be a diversion, force an overreaction from STEC and while a strike group or two are occupied, the Abyssals launch an assault on a city or something. Perhaps it's a probing mission, meant to take note of our response times and general behaviour. It could be that the Abyssals themselves were the cause of the breakdown of outpost, perhaps they are attempting to test ways to hinder MERLIN's functions. Maybe that's overthinking the issue but I still feel that we don't need any extra help for this. Osage was probably sent here with her full fleetgirl complement (as opposed to just Mahan or something) as insurance for just this kind eventuality and while we're not a particularly powerful task group, we certainly aren't weak either. 1 CA, 1 CV(L?), 1 CL, 1 DD, and 1 SS ought to be more than enough to handle a few light combat Abyssals, and from their description, these clams hardly count as that even.

[A + Much Elaboration]  We don't know what's happening yet. Bringing down the hammer on this could be unnecessary or even counterproductive. Besides, you heard Mahan. If we can't handle something this weak on our own we've got bigger problems.

Link us up to MERLIN and keep tabs on the island and surrounding waters, if we haven't done that already. We'll have to bring Chicago back up and have her sortie out along with everyone else. Promise her we'll give her some extra rest later. Tell Avalon that we're going to kill the pectidae and get rid of the mines. Request that they put a more powerful strike group on standby with their teleporters, just in case. The mines themselves might pose a bit of an issue. The clam has probably been here for a while and the minefield is likely very large. Ask Langley to put up her remaining airwings, have her planes spot the mines from above. She will help direct the fleet away from dangerous areas. From what we know the clam will probably be burried on the sea floor. Have Dolphin dive down and search for it. Marblehead and Mahan will keep as near to Dolphin as possible, it will be largely up to them to kill the clam when it makes its move. Chicago will stay close to Langley and act as an escort, those two will hold position a bit short of the actual minefield. The entire formation will be sent away from the tender while Osage maintains a set distance from the island. Immediate tactical control will be placed on Langley. She will act as flagship and our second in command for the operation.

Edit: If it's possible, have Langley keep a squardon circling Osage, we are a bit vulnerable if everyone is at the island. (Speaking of, does Osage have any self defense armament?)

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Post time: 2016-1-13 08:52:57
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Edited by Nivy at 2016-1-13 14:43

I'm going with Adjutant on this one. As much as this could be possibly a huge threat it doesn't mean we should bring the hammer down just yet, however better safe than sorry.

So technically A and what Adjutant mentioned.

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Post time: 2016-1-13 09:18:27
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opps, I meant A. Sorry about that. Corrected.

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Post time: 2016-1-13 11:31:51
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Edited by sebsmith at 2016-1-12 19:33

[x] A + elaboration

I largely agree with Adjutant. We appear to be dealing with an Abyssal Minelayer. Such ships are usually destroyer sized (and often started life as one) and are armored and armed accordingly. A prototypical example might be this American design; however, far weaker ships of this type are also very common. An example of the latter would be this Japanese design. The other significant concern I have right now is that we have no guarantee we're only dealing with a single such minelayer. In particular, Minelayer units exist, for instance America used divisions of 4 minelaying destroyers (source). If we determine that we're up against something like four minelayers hiding in the middle of an overlapping minefield we should seriously consider calling in specialized minesweeping units, thus we should keep an eye out for this possibility.

To get back to what we should do next, I agree that we should give STEC an update on what we are dealing with, but not call in reinforcements at this time. Our mission at this point is to find the Pectidae Minelayer(s) without getting any of our ships hit by mines. While clearing the mines probably helps, spending to much time on it works directly against us.

My personally strategy (but I'll note our character is the one with an education in naval tactics) would be to deploy Mahan and Marblehead as a fast response force in a forward (but outside the minefield) reserve, have Langley (while staying with the previous force's firing arcs for defense) deploy the rest of her air-wing to find both mines and potential minelayer locations, and (if possible) send Dolphin in under the mines to find the Pectidae Minelayer(s) directly. Once Chicago's break is over, have her join Mahan and Marblehead. If we find the Minelayer(s) the fast response force should carefully engage them while Dolphin retreats. I should note that she might outgun a Pectidae herself, so she has permission to engage, but drawing into the firing arcs of the rest of the team is preferred.

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Post time: 2016-1-14 07:05:06
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Edited by MrCorsair at 2016-1-14 07:27

New segment is up!

To answer Adjutant's question, no. The Osage does not have any weapons. Long answer: Osage was originally an old LCI that has been remodeled into a "research vessel." Weapons of any kind would blow her cover. This pic should give you a general idea of her size.


And now, the options.



A) You've got free reign down there, Dolphin. Just find and kill the Pectidae and the mines go away.

B) Keep searching for the Pectidae, but resurface every thirty minutes and report your status.

C) Try and keep closer to the surface. Making sure nobody blunders into a mine is our top pritority.

D) Other (Write in)

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Post time: 2016-1-14 07:40:39
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Could you clarify what exactly went on after we gave the order to engage? The diagram doesn't show Chicago or Langley, are they still on the Osage? Did we organize things based off of what I or Sebsmith wrote or did the decision default to something else? I really don't mean to sound pushy, I realize that what I originally wrote might have been inappropriate for a write in, but I'm still curious as to how exactly we've arranged things.

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Post time: 2016-1-14 07:53:13
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Langley and Chicago are both still onboard Osage. Going with something close your orSebsmith's plan is going to come up for a vote soon.

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Post time: 2016-1-14 08:30:25
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Thank you.

The issue with Dolphin's radio range is a rather big problem. She's the only one we have that is capable of moving underwater to a useful degree (The other fleet girls might be able to dive down and swim around like a regular human does, but that's definitely not ideal). While she's not a very powerful sub she still ought to able to take the scallop(s) out by herself. But if the Abyssals have anything else down there she'd have no way of telling us and we couldn't really do much to help her if she encounters something she can't handle. With that in mind, even option B seems a bit risky, if there's a big ambush waiting down there we'd have to put our total faith in her skill at underwater combat (or evasion) to get through this. Of course, if it really is just the scallop we could potentially have all the mines cleared in a few minutes. Maybe B might actually make the most sense here. Maintain our focus on getting rid of the scallop, but keep up periodic communications with Dolphin. If she gets into trouble beyond radio range she'll have to rely on herself to get back up so we can assist; but I'd be willing to put faith in her skills. It'll be impossible for us to play it safe every time, here I think we ought to take the risk.

B) Keep searching for the Pectidae, but resurface every thirty minutes and report your status.

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Post time: 2016-1-14 09:54:48
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So many pearls! They're multiplying like rabbits! XD

Since it takes such a long time for the scallops to form a batch of pearls, something is definitely up. It's either that they have a lot of scallops or the Abyssal has been around the area for quite a while. Hm...so holding the call for Avalon right now, Langley is flying her air groups (though with difficulty), and Dolphin has limited detection, having to choose between underwater or surface detection.

Considering how we already have Mahan and Marble on the surface, even if Langley is having a hard time maintaining her planes in the air, there are still some air cover/somewhat reasonable detection on/near the surface. If there are any minor mishaps happens on the surface, having Chicago on the Osage should be enough, if an emergency occurs, Chicago could help stall for time when help from Avalon is coming to aid.

What's more worrying is underwater. Either there's lots of tangos, lots of prep time, or both. And Dolphin's going to be by herself. Man, I really wish we have that help from Avalon in the beginning, lol.

B is probably the best choice, but I don't feel too comfortable having her go alone. She might be experienced, and if she's a powerful sub, there's also less to worry about if there's a trap since Dolphin can probably handle a few things before help arrives. But if she's not, she's going to be in a world of pain. I would add a clause having Dolphin switching priority from "seek and destroy" to "survival" and resurface immediately at the first signs of trouble, since any help underwater would probably take forever to arrive relative to the situation. Dolphin would have to contact the surface as soon as she could by herself. For this, I'm completely relying on her experience and judgment.

[x] B.) Keep searching for the Pectidae, but resurface every thirty minutes and report your status. (And tell Dolphin to pull away at the first signs of trouble.)

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Post time: 2016-1-14 14:22:02
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Edited by sebsmith at 2016-1-13 22:23

[x] (B) Keep searching for the Pectidae, but come up every thirty minutes and report your status.
-[x] But her primary mission is survival

She probably needs to be able to get to the sea floor to find an enemy burrowed there, so that means we can't use C isn't possible. I'm personally uncomfortable with her being un-contactable, so that eliminates A. Thus B is my option (unless I had something else). The modifications I added are because she shouldn't need to surface completely just to radio us, and I'd like to minimize time spent not searching for the enemy. Also, the worst case scenario for me is that she's in a battle for her life and the rest of our forces don't know (this is partly why A is so abhorrent to me). Thus I want to make make it clear to her not to take to large of risks, without making it sound like I'm questioning her judgement.

Note, I'm for giving her the freedom to find and kill the Pecitadae, since wartime experience showed that attaching subs to the rest of your fleet was less effective than giving them letting them run wild. Further, limiting her to much could be seen as a sign that we don't trust her to do her job, and I'd very much like to avoid that impression. Given the comments Morgane made earlier that many in STEC consider her out of date, this seems especially important. Lastly, I would rather not send the rest of our forces into the minefield  both because I'm not sure how useful they'd be at surveying the sea floor and because I'm worried about an attack on our rear once they are sufficiently deep in the minefield.

On the subject of our command ship, is it this USS Osage? While wikipedia claimed the ship was scrapped in '74, I could totally see STEC acquiring the ship instead. Her disarmament, while sad, is understandable, even if I'd very much appreciate a few 5"/38 guns to defend ourselves.

EDIT: MrCorsair, are my comments helpful, or am I just hiding what you're actually looking for in a wall of text?

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Post time: 2016-1-14 14:28:17
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[x] (B) Keep searching for the Pectidae, but come up every thirty minutes and report your status.
-[x] But her primary mission is survival

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Post time: 2016-1-16 03:53:49
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sebsmith 2016-1-14 14:22
[x] (B) Keep searching for the Pectidae, but come up every thirty minutes and report your status.
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To answer your questions: nope. Close though. While they share the same name that is not the Osage in the story. This Osage was an LCI that was remodeled into a fleetgirl ten-I mean "research vessel." Osage and other tenders are named after Native American tribes. While other nations may have their own tenders (I can see RN-STEC having them) I haven't thought up any details on them.

For the second question, I like big posts and I cannot lie. More seriously, you guys are the real drivers of the story. I just try to corral everything into a single direction. That said, If you only have the time or desire to just post your vote, that's fine too. While the big posters might help set the agenda, the small posts get an equal say in what actually happens.

Also, two choices for this week. Adjutant, Sebsmith, If I got your plans wrong, just let me know.



A) Mahan and Marblehead will shadow Dolphin's progress through the minefield with Langley's airwings spotting the mines for them. When Dolphin finds the scallop the duo will engage and destroy it. When Chicago's ready she will stay near Osage as a reserve. Langley will keep a flight circling the Osage, but will also placed second-in-command and guide them through the minefield. (Adjutant's Plan)

B) Mahan and Mablehead will  set up as a mobile reserve outside the minefield. Langley will send her aircraft to scout potential mine clutches and scallop locations. Chicago will join the reserve when she is ready. Dolphin may engage at her discretion, but ideally should draw or drive the scallop into friendly firing arcs. (Sebsmith's Plan)

C) Other (write-in)

In addition, Marblehead's Faries could potentially start disarming the minefield. This could drastically change the hunt for the Pectidae. I should also point out that I resolve combat in dice rolls. Do you want to trust the faires to the dice? (1d10. 10 is crit, 1 is critfail, anything in between depends on circumstances)

1)Yes

2)No

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Post time: 2016-1-16 04:06:08
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Edited by sebsmith at 2016-1-15 12:21

Before everyone jumps on a plan, we might want to spend a little time talking about what we're most scared of happening next.

Personally, Adjutant's plan is better if we're more worried that Mahan is underestimating the Scallop(s). The description we currently have makes them sound like a single coastal minelayer much like the Japanese design I linked above. If it is roughly that, then Dolphin outguns it (3" vs 4" main gun) and submarines had great success against such auxiliary targets for the whole of the pacific war. On the other hand, Mahan has a history of underestimating threats, so if you're worried that we're facing a destroyer minelayer or multiple minelayers giving Dolphin backup might be needed.

Meanwhile, my plan is better if you're worried our biggest threat is not from the mines. If the abyssals note that our forces are inside the minefield and decide to attack from outside the minefield, my plan gives a better chance of fighting them off.

As to trying to disarm the mines, I don't feel we have enough information to make an educated call. We only know that we have at least a 10% chance it will work and at least a 10% chance the fairies involved will die. This could mean we have a 10% of success, a 20% chance of failure with nobody hurt, and a 70% of it going horribly wrong, at which point it probably isn't worth it; or it could mean the opposite, which is probably worth it.

EDIT: Just realized I wasn't sure of something that might be really important. Specifically, what is the scale on our map? Depending on how far away the island is compared to the range of our ship-girl's guns, that might be the primary deteriminer of which plan to choose.


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Post time: 2016-1-16 17:53:07
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Technically, we still don't know whether or not there is only one or there are more. And if MERLIN only have issues detecting scallops and not other threats, it makes plan B overly cautious since it could always just be one and makes plan A the better option. If it's not one, it might be alright. This makes plan A way too risky and plan B would be the better option. It's quite a cross road, I'd say, lol. I could think of a write-in, but even having option C as a write-in for calling for Avalon for assistance, could just very well be overblown if there is only one trolling Abyssal in the water, or completely necessarily if it's the opposite extreme of an enormous threat. I'm going to gamble with-

[x] A.) Mahan and Marblehead will shadow Dolphin's progress through the minefield with Langley's airwings spotting the mines for them. When Dolphin finds the scallop the duo will engage and destroy it. When Chicago's ready she will stay near Osage as a reserve. Langley will keep a flight circling the Osage, but will also placed second-in-command and guide them through the minefield. (Adjutant's Plan)

But I don't want to risk the fairies, lol.
[x] 2.) No

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Post time: 2016-1-17 07:12:29
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For rough estimates Jarvis is about 1.5km across, and you're about 12 km away from it. Marble and Mahan are around 8km away.

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Post time: 2016-1-17 09:43:44
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Edited by Adjutant27 at 2016-1-17 12:02

When I was writing up my plan, my main concern was that we'd have issues maneuvering in the minefield. The environment we're sending our girls into is one that the enemy has prepared. The scallop(s) could have positioned themselves in areas where the presence of mines makes surface movement too dangerous. Under that scenario (which I think is fairly likely), it wouldn't be difficult for the Abyssals to separate Dolphin and our surface combatants. I could also imagine the Abyssals using a weaker unit like the Scallop as a lure to trap our surface combatants in areas where the mines hinder their movements. That would be especially troubling if there are other, more powerful Abyssals units here. After reading things over, I think I'm more in favor of Sebsmith's plan, it might be more risky for Dolphin, since she will have less surface support, but it might also give us more room to maneuver when we make contact. As for disabling the mines using Fairy crews, I'd say no, it seems like too much of a gamble.

1. B) Mahan and Mablehead will  set up as a mobile reserve outside the minefield. Langley will send her aircraft to scout potential mine clutches and scallop locations. Chicago will join the reserve when she is ready. Dolphin may engage at her discretion, but ideally should draw or drive the scallop into friendly firing arcs. (Sebsmith's Plan)

2. No


Will be my choices for now. However, we still have a day and half to decide, so we should keep considering our options.

Edit: I'm getting the impression that the minefield completely surrounds the island and extends a fair bit away from it. Sebsmith's concern about our weapons range is something that we should definately pay attention to. If we do end up keeping Mahan and Marblehead (and eventually Chicago) outside the minefield, it might take sense to put a limit on how far away from the task group Dolphin can go. While both Mahan and Marblehead ought to be able to hit the Island itself (this is going by the historical max ranges of their guns), accuracy might become an issue, especially for Mahan.

C. (Write in):

Mahan and Marblehead will set up as a mobile reserve outside the minefield, Langley will send her aircraft to scout potential mine clutches and scallop locations. Chicago will join the reserve when she is ready. Dolphin may engage at her discretion, but ideally should draw or drive the scallop into friendly firing arcs. Dolphin and Langley will keep in close contact, with the later put incharge of keeping the former advised of mine locations whenever she is within contact range. Dolphin must stay within 3 kilometers of the reserve formation. The formation will sweep across the entire circumfrance of the minefield. If a section of the minefield is declared clear of (non-mine) Abyssal units by Dolphin, we will clear the mines there and move along to the next segment of the arc. Osage will sail along her own wide arc so as to make sure we have a unobstructive view of the fleetgirls at all times. We repeat untill we've found the minelayer and anything else the Abyssals have planted here.


This modification is meant to keep Dolphin safely within the effective range of our surface combatants while also methodically searching the minefield. Besides providing Dolphin with cover, it also allows the surface fleet a wider ranger of movement than if they entered the field. It's also meant to get rid of the minefield itself, so we can better move around when we encounter our target. There is however the issue of if we can actually clear the field. Gunfire from our surface combatants might be worth trying, as well as strafing runs from Langley's aircraft. Failing that, the fairies might be brought in as a last resort (though, only if we literally have it as our only option to proceed). I'll admit that I haven't done much number crunching for this, the 3 kilometer range was decided off of a very rough (read: finger measurments across the screen) estimate of the distances involved and a quick look at the wikipedia articles for 6''/53 Caliber and 5''/38 Caliber guns. Opinions?

Edit 2: Come to think of it, if we can destroy the mines with gunfire or aircraft, couldn't we just simply bombard the surrounding waters untill we get rid of most of them? Dolphin can stay underwater to look for any Abyssal movement while still staying close to everyone else. Once the mines are cleared we can move the formation in with more confidence. This is discounting any underwater mines that Langley hasn't been able to spot.

C (II). (Write in):

Mahan and Marblehead will set up as a mobile reserve outside the minefield, Langley will send her aircraft to scout potential mine clutches and scallop locations. Chicago will join the reserve when she is ready. Dolphin may engage at her discretion, but ideally should draw or drive the scallop into friendly firing arcs. Dolphin and Langley will keep in close contact, with the later put incharge of keeping the former advised of mine locations whenever she is within contact range. Dolphin must stay within 3 kilometers of the reserve formation. The formation will sweep across the entire circumfrance of the minefield. Before the task group moves to another section of the arc, that section must be cleared of mines through whatever means we have available to us. When it is declared clear of most of the surface mines by Langley, Dolphin can move in to scout out the sea bed. Osage will sail along her own wide arc so as to make sure we have a unobstructive view of the fleetgirls at all times. We repeat untill we've found the minelayer and anything else the Abyssals have planted here.

Edit 3: If we cannnot clear the mines at all (or if the process is too slow), I feel that a perimeter sweep might still be a good idea before we send Dolphin and the surface group further towards the island. It could still catch hiding Abyssals or at least let us scout out a large section of the minefield relatively safely before we move onto something more dangerous.

Note: I'm not actually putting my vote in for what I just wrote, I've put this up here for discussion and would like my vote to default to B if there aren't any responses.








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MrCorsair 2016-1-16 15:12
For rough estimates Jarvis is about 1.5km across, and you're about 12 km away from it. Marble and Ma ...

Okay, going by the wikipedia articles for their guns (6"/53and 5"/38) they have a 'maximum' range of 23.1 km and 15.9 km. Even without looking, I can guarantee that Chicago's range will be greater than that. Now we're going to want to stay inside that because accuracy at maximum range is crap, but I'm guessing accuracy at even half that would be pretty good. (This is the sort of fact our character would hopefully know, possibly useful sources to helps.)

Thus I'm nominally voting for C (II) from adjutant above, but with the twin changes of Dolphin must stay within 8 km and a corresponding deemphasis on mine-clearing. (I'll probably write a clearer description of this tomorrow, if I don't change my mind.)

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Edited by sebsmith at 2016-1-18 01:12

Right, so about 24 hours have passed, I have a new hatred of Skype, and this was a task I said I'd do.

C (III). (write in) Mahan and Marblehead will set up as a mobile reserve outside the minefield, Langley will send her aircraft to scout potential mine clutches and scallop locations. Chicago will join the reserve when she is ready. Dolphin may engage at her discretion, but ideally should draw or drive the scallop into friendly firing arcs. Dolphin and Langley will keep in close contact, with the later put incharge of keeping the former advised of mine locations whenever she is within contact range. Dolphin should stay within 8 kilometers of the reserve formation by informing them when she's moving on. Meanwhile, Marblehead has permission to attempt to clear the mines, but both staying combat ready to assist everyone else and the safety of herself and her fairies have priority. Once Langley has finished her sweep of the area she also has permission to attempt to to clear the mines, but the same rules apply. Osage will sail along her own wide arc so as to make sure we have a unobstructive view of the fleetgirls at all times.

On the other hand, this is probably just B1 with a preference that failed mine clearing look more like 'we chickened out' then 'we blew ourselves up' in return for a smaller chance of success and a note to keep friendly firing arcs in mind. So I guess I should just vote for that?

[x]B (my plan)
-[x] keep friendly firing arcs in mind when setting distances

[x] 1)Yes, permission to defuse the mines is granted
NOTE: The biggest reason I'm giving permission is to keep the reserve force busy between updates from Dolphin, not because I'm hoping for a success on defusing the mines. Thus, a minor failure is of the type mentioned above is actually perfectly fine for me, especially if STEC learns something from it.

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Edited by Sune at 2016-1-18 17:55

Honestly, I'm tempted to go against all of your thinking and just see what the GM wants. This first battle will likely determine how combat "works" in this particular setting. It's the thing Morgane always brings up. Are your characters more girl or ship. xD

I vote for a modification of Adjunct's plan. The suggestion is to complete the engagement as soon as possible, rather than waiting for perimeter or trying to lure it out. This means bombing the shit out of the entire field and forcing the abyssals to come out. If you blow it up and the abyssals start warping in, good, then we call in our reinforcements and make it a battle.

At this stage in the abyssal war, it is more costly for the abyssals - in my opinion - to send down stuff than for us to regenerate munitions. Forcing them to activate cloaked assets (if any exists) is a boon to our side. With MERLIN already in service it means anything they have hidden, that's it. They can't hide any more stuff without at least arousing some suspicions from our end thanks to that piece of tech.

Come to think of it, if we can destroy the mines with gunfire or aircraft, couldn't we just simply bombard the surrounding waters untill we get rid of most of them? Dolphin can stay underwater to look for any Abyssal movement while still staying close to everyone else. Once the mines are cleared we can move the formation in with more confidence. This is discounting any underwater mines that Langley hasn't been able to spot.

It isn't clear to me how the mines can be detonated, but diffusion is too risky in my opinion. For one thing, abyssals teleport. If you diffuse a mine, what are you going to do with it? You take it back to anywhere fit to study and you're literally giving them a way in to your home. Nevermind that Avalon itself is largely functioning off of concealment and obfuscation - this isn't the thing STEC is currently building (shh) or the mythical MacGuffin Chinese/Asian naval base currently plot-shielding the entire bit of East Asia and more or less stopping IRL national animosity from erupting in Pacific's world.

If it's proximity based, I'm guessing Dolphin can use a PDW and just shoot it if it's below water. Mind you, I don't see the point of mining an area underwater, because there aren't enough submarines or sub girls to warrant such an action. I don't know about Mr. Corsair's abyssals, but Morgane's is nothing if not methodical and intelligent. They do stuff for a reason, and to mine an under water area and hoping to draw in ship girls is too obvious of a waste of resources when we know they can be blown up.
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